The Debate

Tons of stuff out there. Mostly saying that no one screwed up big time. Since the MSM would have pounded McCain if they thought he was in any way the loser of the debate, I’m still going to give it to McCain.

Charles Hurt had an interesting insight this morning.

Barack Obama made one thing crystal clear in last night’s debate: He simply doesn’t care if we win or lose the war in Iraq.


Obama will accept defeat if continuing on hurts too much. For McCain, any mission where defeat is an option is a mission not worth fighting in the first place.

Those thoughts move me to what I considered the major thing of the debate. Obama doesn’t see or can’t comprehend what could/would occur if Iraq is lost.

Iraq is now mostly won so I worry less about this, but I still worry. If Obama can’t imagine the above, then how does that bode for future situations?

8 thoughts on “The Debate

  1. What is the point of engaging in a war that you do not have the courage, fortitude, resolve, etc to win? The concern is over 4ooo GI’s dying in Iraq (many of whom died in non-combat circumstances) with no thought to 3000 U S civilians dying in NYC, Washinton D.C. and Pennsylvania. Thank God that thought process did not prevail when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. We quit in Korea, we quit in Viet Nam and now Obama wants to quit in Iraq. How many GIs were lost in those two wars (53,000 in Viet Nam alone) to what end? Then how many civilians were slaughtered in SE Asia when we left there. If you do not want to win, stay home. If you do go to war keep the politicians out of it.

  2. Hypothetical: How long do you keep it up? We’re at 5 years. Let’s say things were the same as they were in 2006. (and thank God for Petraeus/George Bush and McCain and the surge), but let’s say they were the same.

    AND we have the looming depression.

    How long?

    10 years?
    20 years?
    Until it’s won but all the Iraqis are dead?

    Yes, if you don’t want to win, stay home. But at the same time, create a strategy to win. Those who started it, needed to win it.

    Obama didn’t and he doesn’t seem to care or connect it to anything. Therein lies the problem that I see. He sees these administrations as separate entities vs an ongoing thread. He thinks that Maliki should wait to negotiate things until there is a new president/congress here without the concept that the world keeps spinning and administrations need cohesiveness to some extent. You can’t back out of commitments just because you didn’t make them.

    You can talk about them. Re-settle them etc. but over time. Not, “I’m the President now, so everything is different and all our troops are to come home and then we’ll talk about redeployments”.

  3. How long do we keep it up? If we had asked that in 1945, we wouldnt still be in Germany today 60 years later or in Japan, or in Korea. Of course if we did leave those places, there probably woudnt be a Germany or a Europe, Japan or a Korea or much of anything else either, but hey, its a good question, so phrase it properly:

    “How long do we spend defending liberty and freedom ?”

    The answer is simple. As long as it takes, because the alternative is too hard to comprehend.

  4. Frank, I think you’ve answered a different question.

    Before freedom and democracy rein, how long do we stay to create it?

    Once it’s there, defend it yes. And I’d say that’s where we are in Iraq. But it hasn’t always been thus. We chose to go there we definitely had the obligation to finish, but the hypothetical stands.

    If things were as in 2006 and the Iraqis didn’t want us there and it was now 20 years in and nothing had improved. Do we stay?

    Do we back off let al-qaeda rule and then kill everyone?

    Luckily (more than that) skillfully and due to the quality of our forces and leaders that will not be necessary. I brought up the hypothetical because the first commenter sounded like forever would be a good time.

    I’m not sure our society could sustain that in which case the alternative comes home.

  5. Apparently you missed my point – forever is not a good time – If you decide to go to war (and that decision should not be made lightly, for defense of your country, defending an ally, etc.) then GO TO WAR – kick ass and WIN. Do not pussyfoot around trying not to offend those who are critical of you decision. Since we quit in Korea and since we quit in Viet Nam and since we may quit in Iraq (depending on the election) who of our allies can say they can really depend on us. It appears we are a nation of quitters if all doesn’t go our way and in the short attention span that we seem to have aquired.

  6. You’re right. I did miss it.

    You’re not staying stay forever, you’re saying use what we have and win the dang thing.

  7. I got nothing out of the debates. Maybe the left-wing illuminati will allow more debates where the audience can participate.

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